why are Shiro's weapons so high requirement ? - Guild Wars Forums

floplag · Jun 27, 2006, 04:50 PM // 16:50

seems to me that these weapons are bascially ruined by the high requirement. end game rewards such as this should not be made borderline useless by such a high req. or am i missing something here ?

megalomaniac_mutant · Jun 27, 2006, 04:53 PM // 16:53

Anet hates us.

CKaz · Jun 27, 2006, 04:55 PM // 16:55

IMO they should have been 15% always no detriment but 15req.
Hey they're Shiro's stuff right?

Instead it's just the model/skin, and I don't even get the sword (meh).
However Shiro's daggers I <3

RTSFirebat · Jun 27, 2006, 04:55 PM // 16:55

Beats me. They have always been like that.

Raxxman · Jun 27, 2006, 05:41 PM // 17:41

15% no penalty would be unbalanced (slightly) in PvP as anywarrior worth his salt has Req 15 (Dunno bout assassins but I assume its the same).

frickett · Jun 27, 2006, 05:52 PM // 17:52

The numbers dont have to be equal to be balanced. IMO

zankoku · Jun 27, 2006, 05:53 PM // 17:53

Well, considering Shiro was a master assassin and the Emperor's personal bodyguard, it'd make some sense for his Dagger Mastery to be so high.

Check out the description of the Dagger Mastery attribute: "The damage and effectiveness of Dagger strikes, dagger-based skills, and the chance to inflict a critical hit increases with rank in Dagger Mastery." Guildwiki notes that there is a 2% chance per rank in Dagger Mastery that attacks from your daggers will double strike.

So really, if you're looking to deal damage with Shiro's weapons, it's to your benefit to raise your Dagger Mastery attributes.

Lord Aro · Jun 27, 2006, 07:14 PM // 19:14

Would have been nice to be req12, so that non-primary W or A's can use the weapons.

floplag · Jun 27, 2006, 07:49 PM // 19:49

if the req is to be that high, for a green reward.. sure seems to me there should be some benefit to doing that ... but i guess thats just me

thesecondrei · Jun 27, 2006, 09:08 PM // 21:08

It's a.nerfs way of poking fun at the people that actually think lower req= higher critical rates.

Aera · Jun 27, 2006, 09:30 PM // 21:30

Who cares. Don't use daggers if you don't have 15-16 daggermastery...

zankoku · Jun 27, 2006, 10:51 PM // 22:51

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Originally Posted by Aera

Who cares. Don't use daggers with if you don't have 15-16 daggermastery...

I had to laugh at this. It's so true.

Malice Black · Jun 27, 2006, 11:14 PM // 23:14

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Originally Posted by Aera

Who cares. Don't use daggers if you don't have 15-16 daggermastery...

soo true..

Rikimaru · Jun 27, 2006, 11:18 PM // 23:18

Because Shiro is a 1337 Haxor level 30 with 15 Dagger mastery and 15 Strength.

Don Zardeone · Jun 28, 2006, 12:43 AM // 00:43

Shiro is a warrior, not an assassin.
He can't get 15 in dagger mastery...

SPOILERS

Check the cutscenes. Kisu calls Shiro a warrior. A warrior who should stop protecting the traders from bandit raids and should become his personal bodyguard.

Those are warrior jobs.

Shiro also says that vizu or whatever he name is, has no honour because she stabbed him in the back. He states that assassins are honourless.. with him having honour.

So Shiro is really a W/A and those can't get more than 12 in daggers....

Kyle · Jun 28, 2006, 12:49 AM // 00:49

he obviously has a holiday armor piece that lets him use sup dagger rune to reach 15.

AW Lore · Jun 28, 2006, 12:57 AM // 00:57

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Originally Posted by Don Zardeone

Shiro also says that vizu or whatever he name is, has no honour because she stabbed him in the back. He states that assassins are honourless.. with him having honour.

yet shiro stabbed the emperor on his back at the harvest temple.

so much for his honour.

Don Zardeone · Jun 28, 2006, 01:08 AM // 01:08

I wouldn't call it stabbing in the back. If you listen carefully, you hear a lot of screams and fighting as the screen fades to black.
The emperor has all those female soldiers with him too O.o

GreatLich · Jun 28, 2006, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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Originally Posted by AW Lore

yet shiro stabbed the emperor on his back at the harvest temple.

so much for his honour.

The Emperor was kneeling and Shiro made a slash, instead of a stab... probably lobbed that sucker's head right off... still, no more honour in that though

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Originally Posted by Don Zardeone

The emperor has all those female soldiers with him too O.o

It's good to be the emperor ;p

edit: to make my post a litlle more ontopic

The req of those weapons are so high because Shiro was a true master of his art, so his blades need to/can only be wielded by those who are masters themselves, not every other random ele or necro out there...

On a related tangent: the requirement vs attribute level on weapons I find rather confusing. If you know how it works, there's little to it; but makes little sense. Why aren't req's capped at 12 anyway? For any build running it's weapon attribute at 16, weapon requirements are irrelevant...
And those that wield weapons but don't spec for them, they don't care anyway (think foci-swapping, IW, etc.)

bilateralrope · Jun 28, 2006, 01:44 AM // 01:44

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Originally Posted by Don Zardeone

<snip>So Shiro is really a W/A and those can't get more than 12 in daggers....

Shiro isn't that bright, so I can see him using weapons he doesn't have the req for. Remember that we couldn't do anything directly to Shiro until Imperial Sanctum when he made himself mortal again.

Also, I don't remember being hit with the life steal from them so I doubt he was using them in the battle itself. I think the Adept of Shadows may be scamming us and that Shiro never actually used those weapons. Possibly because they weapons are cursed beyond just being req 15, and he wants to get rid of them.

Jun 27, 2006, 04:50 PM // 16:50	#1
floplag Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: SoCal Guild: Gamerz United Profession: Me/N	why are Shiro's weapons so high requirement ? seems to me that these weapons are bascially ruined by the high requirement. end game rewards such as this should not be made borderline useless by such a high req. or am i missing something here ?

Jun 27, 2006, 04:55 PM // 16:55	#4
RTSFirebat The Humanoid Typhoon Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Guild: Servants of Fortuna [SoF] Profession: R/	Beats me. They have always been like that. Last edited by RTSFirebat; Jun 27, 2006 at 05:02 PM // 17:02..

Jun 27, 2006, 09:30 PM // 21:30	#11
Aera Forge Runner Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: Galactic President Superstar Mc [awsm] Profession: E/	Who cares. Don't use daggers if you don't have 15-16 daggermastery... Last edited by Aera; Jun 27, 2006 at 10:55 PM // 22:55..

Jun 27, 2006, 04:53 PM // 16:53	#2
megalomaniac_mutant Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: End of the Universe Guild: My guild name not know you must.	Anet hates us.

Jun 27, 2006, 04:55 PM // 16:55	#3
CKaz Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2005	IMO they should have been 15% always no detriment but 15req. Hey they're Shiro's stuff right? Instead it's just the model/skin, and I don't even get the sword (meh). However Shiro's daggers I <3

Jun 27, 2006, 05:41 PM // 17:41	#5
Raxxman Krytan Explorer Join Date: Dec 2005 Guild: TEOC Profession: W/N	15% no penalty would be unbalanced (slightly) in PvP as anywarrior worth his salt has Req 15 (Dunno bout assassins but I assume its the same).

Jun 27, 2006, 05:52 PM // 17:52	#6
frickett Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: Shinigami Keys [SHIN] Profession: R/Mo	The numbers dont have to be equal to be balanced. IMO

Jun 27, 2006, 05:53 PM // 17:53	#7
zankoku Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Teh Academy [PhD]	Well, considering Shiro was a master assassin and the Emperor's personal bodyguard, it'd make some sense for his Dagger Mastery to be so high. Check out the description of the Dagger Mastery attribute: "The damage and effectiveness of Dagger strikes, dagger-based skills, and the chance to inflict a critical hit increases with rank in Dagger Mastery." Guildwiki notes that there is a 2% chance per rank in Dagger Mastery that attacks from your daggers will double strike. So really, if you're looking to deal damage with Shiro's weapons, it's to your benefit to raise your Dagger Mastery attributes.

Jun 27, 2006, 07:14 PM // 19:14	#8
Lord Aro Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: /wiki user:aro Guild: DBU Profession: E/	Would have been nice to be req12, so that non-primary W or A's can use the weapons.

Jun 27, 2006, 07:49 PM // 19:49	#9
floplag Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: SoCal Guild: Gamerz United Profession: Me/N	if the req is to be that high, for a green reward.. sure seems to me there should be some benefit to doing that ... but i guess thats just me

Jun 27, 2006, 09:08 PM // 21:08	#10
thesecondrei Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: California Guild: Alliance of Xen [XoO] Profession: W/R	It's a.nerfs way of poking fun at the people that actually think lower req= higher critical rates.

Jun 27, 2006, 11:18 PM // 23:18	#14
Rikimaru Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Dec 2005 Profession: R/	Because Shiro is a 1337 Haxor level 30 with 15 Dagger mastery and 15 Strength.

Jun 28, 2006, 12:43 AM // 00:43	#15
Don Zardeone Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2005	Shiro is a warrior, not an assassin. He can't get 15 in dagger mastery... SPOILERS Check the cutscenes. Kisu calls Shiro a warrior. A warrior who should stop protecting the traders from bandit raids and should become his personal bodyguard. Those are warrior jobs. Shiro also says that vizu or whatever he name is, has no honour because she stabbed him in the back. He states that assassins are honourless.. with him having honour. So Shiro is really a W/A and those can't get more than 12 in daggers....

Jun 28, 2006, 12:49 AM // 00:49	#16
Kyle Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Legends Of Teh Industry [XXX]	he obviously has a holiday armor piece that lets him use sup dagger rune to reach 15.

Jun 28, 2006, 01:08 AM // 01:08	#18
Don Zardeone Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2005	I wouldn't call it stabbing in the back. If you listen carefully, you hear a lot of screams and fighting as the screen fades to black. The emperor has all those female soldiers with him too O.o